(Morava?) Koch family unloads Montana ranch to Rupert Murdoch for $200M. http://www.flickr.com/photos/100005874@N05/ Im a little hidden so it might be hard to find me. Hey I was in respect family wasnt u the short Peru Rican cat I was the only Asian kid there lol man its crazy times I barley remember but have thoughts about every blue moon wish I could link up with some of my boys from in there Jason McDermott where u at boy, An whats good bro..hope I hear back from u..James matica saw this and got ahold of mehope ur doing well bro..Im doen..hit me up on here or email bro. I remember when I finally made it to jr.staff and I somehow managed to get into the HR building and do paperwork for a couple weeks. He got fired for letting a kid change a tire on a car. Anon, Undated With no access to telephones or computers, my only connection to the outside world was through letters to my parents. I have nightmares of the gravel pit an other bullshyt i had to endure. That place did way more harm than good. He helped me get out of there. Learn about the locale My brother and I were there in 1998 to 1999. Please know that God loves you and will forgive anything and everything you did back then or have done since; all you have to do is ask. The young girl was talking about food, the walking in lines the random work they had to do and if she went back she would not be doing any of it. I was at the Montana website. I was in the family Charity and never made it past level 2. Cascade school for a year and a half til I told em to just take me to juvy cause I was done with the BS. Use your experiences in life to grow and learn. Then your going to eat generic count chocula cereal or some bland ass oatmeal without butter or sugar if youre not a level two. Information and Rates. I remember the harsh lessons of the cold. You fuckers were the worst! I think the reason Im pretty good with names is only because Cameron (we called him Dough Boy) had me do the censusso Id type up all the kids names on that weekly level report they posted in the hallway of the school buildingthe building across from the Hungry Horse that had the case workers like Laurie Travers & Jades wife Cassies offices in the middleso yeah, I can recall a lot of names. Thanks. During this time, Steve Cawdrey would come walking in outta nowhere and every couple days and along with our guides would inflict upon us his crackpot version of therapy where he let the wilderness conditions break us down mentally so he could begin rehabilitating us. Please let us know how we can help. The guides wouldnt let anyone help me. Early 2004. I felt desperate and wanted to fix the problem. This is odd. I was in the hobbit over thanksgiving and also around christmas of the year 2000. Attended in 2004 part of unity, this place had a major affect on his life just curious if anyone remembers him or could help me understand if he went through anything that maybe he doesnt want to share.. Most who praise these places are shills who profited off of it. Most of you out there that say it was a prison or cult only say that because your little kids throwing a temper tantrum because you didnt get your way, you didnt get to party late and have sex or take drugs, because you had NO respect for your parents or yourselves..oh and you were aloud to talk to your parents there just not straight away.. The worst was everyday life. My son Gabriel was there in 1997. Its been almost 11 years since I left that place so my memories kinda foggy. She said she already knew I was gone and she knew about a couple other crimes I did in between to eat and whatever so she was my biggest cheerleader to get home and booked me a plane ticket to get home that was departing in about an hour. Brandy, from California. From Another SOLD Parent I cant remember if we did that every day or not but thats when I played basketball and would drink out of this spring fed faucet that was always surrounded by bees which tripped me out because they would never sting you.then back to class. I was in Spring Creek Lodge from 1999- 2000. Not perfect, but harmless. Whenever we went outside we had to march around heel-toe and in sync in lines. After extensive prepping and planning. Hey at least big sky had its own washer n dryer lol I hated the box! My name is Nick Theriault. I spent twenty seven and a half months there. We were the original group of kids that started that place. 103a nfsd 106e neglect anyone remember any other warnings? You need to speak to a journalist in Heron or the Missoulian. I will be released at the end of this year. Get the latest updates and new property listings from Fay Ranches He started indoctrinating us during this time where we all felt literally lost in the woods to his version of how we should view ourselves and the way we had been living. I ran with the nortenos back in the day, and lucky me, there was one fellow 15yo ene there from antiochbut 3 surenos and a crip, and this asian dude that was muscly as fuck but mentally a complete bitch who just wanted the crips to like him. I kept my mouth shut, played their game, and got the fuck out. Anybody remember that kid Torrey? I was there in 2005 at that horrific shit hole add in serious trauma to my life. I wouldnt believe it if I hadnt seen it with my own eyes. I was in Quest family, Quest family veteran here. Remember Eric Sweptston? I was in Serenity family in 2002. It worked a couple times but then they just decided to cover me with a sheet while they restrained me instead. He was replaced with a paranoid, confused kid who was obsessed with protecting himself. It eventually became clear that they had become almost as brainwashed as some of my peers. I was only 15 at the time and was seeing that stuff. Took a minute but finally made it across the river next was a big ass cliff of rocks that elevated the river bank from the train tracks. I remember the seminars we had to go to. i wish you all good luck and lots off love. And where was this spring creek at anyways?! Zach was my friendand I was sad to hear he passed away of a heroin overdose. I called it my Space Suit because the cold was real and deadly. There are so many more facesI cant remember names. Age 13 hit the survival challenge program. I can remember them taking all my clothes when I got there and not giving them back. At Spring Creek, I remember doing grass drills in the rain, clearing a forest of trees with about 20 kids, shoveling snow for hours, kids crying when forced to run never-ending laps around the basketball court until some even collapsed, the essay pit where many were forced to spend hours or even days listening to motivational tapes, the Hobbit cabin in its infancyand those horrible stories of kids who were kept there in isolation, etc. I would like to hear from you guys that were there in the beginning like I was. I kept my mouth shut and the next night they were gone. I believe this is why everything starts to become a blurr after a while. SCL also saved my Sister from the Same Shit it Saved me From. I couldnt see through the mirror tint on the front door so went in. How long were you there? This says it nicely but a forest needs to be planted. Sites are picked on a first come first serve basis upon arrival. Yes! DePuy Spring Creek is considered by many to be one of the finest spring creeks on the planet. Between the nearby amenities of Dillon, the rehabilitated streams and ponds, and careful past management, this ranch is in outstanding condition for a serious sporting enthusiast. It was a bad experience because I learned to see the good side of otherwise evil people and empathize which has cost me a lot, but it also taught me to not be afraid of bullies. Other schools like it have also been shut down for similar reasons including suicide/attempted suicide of the students and lawsuits thanks to allegations of child abuse and neglect/ human rights violations. The Creek Cant remember exactly. Plan for your Montana fishing trip. If I were there some of the staff who is still alive (probably) would not be.. My mom suffers ptsd from this place too. Im sorry but only so much stuff bothers me, then its like well you dont share, you have to share, so then im making up shit to SHARE about. The girls mother also sued them for wrongful death and neglect. Before I left, Karlye and I were working on goals. We both made lists and crossed them off as we accomplished them. Kootenai Springs Ranch is a genuine masterpiece enjoying almost every amenity imaginable man-made and those of higher origin. I was in Quest I think and our family father was Al. Jenna did u get in trouble for note passing with a jr.staff ? Made my bed 3-4 times a day. There are nine lakes in the area which can be accessed by foot or via 4x4 trails. Ill never forget the first time I saw him. Im sorry to hear all your bad stories of how you were treated no kid should ever go through that. I was Lvl 1 for 6 months, in the Hobbit multiple times, and in Worksheet Daily, all these sob stories people are telling just got to show you that after years they are still stuck in their Shit, and Based on the Results, they have exaclty what they Intended On. I wouldnt wish that place upon my enemym Chaffin eventually had enough of me and so did every one else i guess and tried to make my mom send me to Jamaica where they had no child labor laws but my mom just brought me home instead.. Made up a home contract followed it for 2 weeks once i got home at the age of 15 and of course got bored and went out to find older kids.. I stopped talking and listening until they didnt know what to do with me. What was Karleys last name? That was probably the biggest struggle so far was making it up that 10ft wall because it was at a 90 degree angle but I got up it. Im doing good. The same girl headed a mini-rebellion consisting of some girls from her cabin breaking out and running around the campus naked. And WORKSHEETS!!!!!!!! He would take the senior staff out and theyd all get drunk. I was there from like Nov 2001 to July 2002 in Innocence. The creek ranges from 30 to 100 feet wide and has a wide variety of trout habitat including riffles, deep runs, glassy flats and a spring fed pond. I will ask him. It was a place that MADE you earn your privileges. I hoped she would not get hit. Nobody can say you havent done well. He talked to this girl that was beautiful during some of the session where he was trying to face his sex addiction . 0.92 acres lot - Lot / Land for sale. Armstrong Spring Creek is a world class spring creek and a mecca for catch and release fly fishing in Montana. It did not take me long to start having issues with some of the rules and treatment that the students were subject to. I was at SCL from 2005 to 2007, and I feel exactly the same way as Zach. I pulled in wanting to talk to Brandy and they were very rude not friendly at all. Mariam, I am so sorry to hear about kareem! 2015 O'Hair Ranch / Armstrong Spring Creek, Quality Spring Creek fishing in Paradise Valley, Livingston, Montana for over 60 years, 2015 O'Hair Ranch / Armstrong Spring Creek. You know what I am thinking of? They meant to make us weak and docile through shock. I was there jan2005 to 0ct2006 I was was Serenity. Your Jackson Hole Vacation starts at Spring Creek Ranch. I seem to remember a story about him using a fire exstinguisher on a staff member in Courage family before he got moved to Wisdom. Sure it sucks not beig able to eat or watch tv when you want and you have to follow a bunch of bullshit rules. SCL taught me that no matter what I will ALWAYS be at fault. Hopefully they have since realized what a grave mistake they made and have tried to make amends, and hopefully youve been able to find it in your troubled, eternally scarred hearts to forgive them. I got threw in the habit in winter and was left to die. From Wisconsin? Lol fuck that place! Your email address will not be published. My experience at SCL showed me the more cruel and evil side of human nature. You guys were nuts haha, so was I. The combination of abundant food options and gin clear waters produce conditions that require stealth and match the hatch presentation. Then they finally let me talk to my mother. FOCUS was my favorite does anyone remember the lifeboat process holy fuck! Anybody remember that kid Torrey? We have Deluxe River, River, Full Hookup, grass and gravel pull thru sites. The ranch attracts ducks and geese year-round due to its open spring water, as well as its food sources and cover. Cliff fucking hated me for that. It is adjacent to Spring Creek among cottonwoods, ponderosa pine, juniper and aspens in a riparian environment. Also 3 mi. This technical match the hatch fishing produces big results. Kids were shivering cold, teeth chattering. what about Henry or ben? The Ranch includes 4,417 total acres, of which 3,777 . 7 weeks later after Mike I got sent to fn Cascade school! I am a female so didnt get much interaction w the males but I can definately remember the things that went on there. There was no way in hell I was going to become another statistic. I was in Dignity, and I remember a lot of shit that happened there. How weird I was.. just trying to never go back I did it all. 14 hours ago. The one that always struck me as ridiculous was how they wouldnt let you look at the girls. Our cabins are what we like to call "OUT OF THE ELEMENTS". When I got to the bottom there was a river that was a 100 yards wide. Just brutal. During our P.E. She looked at me and she looked away. Colton Stoneman. Coach of the soccer team lol got to go to games in town etc. We went through another long blur of trekking through the mountains. Technically I even graduated High School from Spring Creek. Beaverhead Ranch is home to 7,000 cow-calf pairs and 15 families who are employed on the ranch. I hope everyone is doing alright out there. But that doesnt mean that the entirety of the Program was Bullshit or wasnt Helpful. That place brought out the worst in people. I get off work. One time Chaffin hit 3 golf balls into the woods and said if we didnt find all 3 we would all drop to level one. Josh was a good guy but we share a bad trait and that is a short fuse. That place fucked me up so much worse than I came in. I think these people were a blessing in my life. If you remember a tall redhead who kept rebelling thats me! Armstrong originates from a series of underground springs on the O'hair ranch. I am hoping you remember me! Have some more koolaid commys.. Spring Creek Ranch, a year-round luxury resort, is located on a wildlife sanctuary, almost 984 feet above the town of Jackson, with views of the Teton Mountain Range, including the world famous 14,000 foot Grand Teton peak. Its The Sleepers (or just Sleepers) with kevin bacon. Reading about Josh Lambert is shocking. They put out a search party for mepolice, volunteers, staff ect.those 8 hours of freedom were so sweet. We will as well make a report to the Montana Department of Health and Human Services that are responsible for oversight of these facilities. that dude was a mess. I knew I was fucked. I was there in 1995. Sorry to hear that these places lasted so long. It was a long long time ago and I am 44 now and I was 16 then. I used to watch Cameron and Chaffen walk around there as if they were kings of the facility. He was half a fag. I have a self destructive sort of apathy that only struck me after seeing the shit that went on there. Highway 200 is a backdoor to Seattle and a drug corridor and lots of creeps run that strip because its off the beaten path of I90, less patrolled. On my survival our only girl Amanda wrecked her knee, like day 1 in Flagstaff so they shipped her out and apparently she stayed at he upper/main/school campus When i went i was 17 so i only had a year to do. I was in the excel family. Were you a student there Diana? I had considered quitting several times because of the way some of the other staff treated the students. Raise awareness of the true nature of WWASP Programs, to advocate for those still being held in Troubled Teen programs, and to provide validation and support to survivors of WWASP programs. The 3 day seminars way in the back of the woods is something that i will never forget. work the program or you will be there until you turn eighteen. I hope its not who I think it is. Bullrun Spring Creek Ranch in Belgrade, Montanahttps://hallhall.com/property-for-sale/montana/bullrun-spring-creek-ranch/a091Y000023ocoP/Bullrun Spring Creek. Break you down, and then build you into who they wanted you to be. Did you find your magical child? Me and Mark? Its far in the rear view now and more than success stories, I see shattered spirits and people never able to function. Gaby They gave the kid a pack and told them to go!!!!! My bags were handed back to her when we arrived and she started crying and I thought she was just being emotional and I walked and smiled and it just didnt click right away what was happening. I was just going through a phase in life at that period in time. Im really trying to find a Trauma and PTSD therapist right now possibly a psych who is already educated on Spring Creek / WWASP. His mom works 2 jobs, goes to college full time and cares for her two boys D and J. I definitely dont want to recommend a boys camp if this is the type of treatment he will get! Please feel free to contact me at keelingkasey@gmail.com. I have so many stories from what went on there but not enough time or space here lol. We got in trouble for looking at girls, Tom. The ladies were odd. Or Find Me, Pull Up a Chair, Stand on It, and Let Me Rip You Up a Little! any spring creek lodge people have any luck getting their transcripts?? I remember some of the cabin names.Blue SkyTetonGreen-something? Join our Newsletter. They practiced physical, mental, and emotional abuse. lately I have been finding a lot of these comments about the old wwasp programs and I find it great that we can all now come back in to touch with people from this time!!! FAX 406-222-0744. Even after the loss of multiple lawsuits, news reports outlining the abuse and new lawsuits filed regularly, they turn a blind eye to hide the children that they broke using the guise of helping them. I am finally starting to forget this nightmare. But not without respect and an open heart to others. I was also afraid of having to celebrate my sixteenth birthday there, of finishing high school in another state, of having nothing when I finally got out. No I was in Serenity.99-2000. Yes most needed help or guidance, but this kind of sickening treatment of youth is disgusting. Then I thought about the wild animals and the below 30 temps at night. I was dropped of at a homeless shelter on my 18th b-day. Transfered to spring creek and was kicked out in june of 99. Johnny Boy, I love you buddy. This happens more often than you would believe and I have been out for over eight years. I was in and out of worksheets daily and spent countless hours nights days and weeks in the hobit. I am very happy to hear that this place is closed, but the memories from what the staff members did to me there will stay forever. Soon (I hope) most you will (or have) grown up and witnessed your self that things arent just handed to you and no one is just going to give you what you want when you want it.. Life is Hell out there but you have to make it a livable one maybe even a happy one. I want to know where she is and that she is ok. We had to boil water to even brush our teeth at times. They were housed opposite side of honor right? And as trainer I nearly became corrupt as the staff at first. My advice when dealing with your daughter on this subject would be to try to sit down and talk to her. I wanna say Jason, not sureand there was the guitar playing guy Rich, or Rick (?) Its crazyIm 34 nowand still, I remember these things. Hell is hot and Thompson Falls was coldyet they were hard to tell apart at times. I had no idea until a little while ago that any of this had happened. I was there from 99-2000 and I was in the Serenity Family Amy was my house mother. I saw both of them beat kids up and both of them gave me the creeps. The trouble teens in the cabin did not care about her, they were too wrapped up on trying to SURVIVE the program. Its the Weirdest Thing I have Ever Seen. I suddenly became a level 5 what a joke. Lol. tara I remember you I was in charity too. I was wild myself, but after being dropped on my face in the gravel and getting my lip and teeth busted by staff (an ex Marine named Randy), I kept a low key. It was quite an adventure. The Pullansserved as owners and administrators of the SCL facility until 2009, when the school was closed. You cant change the past, but the future is wide open. Making sure to give out cat 3 violations to keep the numbers down on the 18+ trips to town. Anyway, I just started his book because I have a little cousin well call D he is 11 years old and showing signs of being a sociopath. My last meal was an egg mcmuffin. The ranch currently enjoys a valid Montana Bird Preserve license and stocks 200-400 pheasants per year. Also Cody or something like that. Lol being on the PR committee got to go to baseball games and fairs. At the end of the day I was always in the negative and never got past level one. The restored wetland complex provides world class waterfowl hunting and endless wildlife viewing, and the spring creek and Nevada Creek are home to wild and native trout species. I didnt believe it. I heard you had a baby a while back! That saidI hope he doesnt come to my neighborhood. So pleasethink before you speak. Chaffin I hit you in the face and you well more then deserved every ounce of that hit I got off. Lawsuits Mount Against Spring Creek Lodge, http://wwaspsurvivors.com/youth-foundation-success-academy-youth-foundation-inc/, http://www.flickr.com/photos/100005874@N05/, http://www.facebook.com/groups/wwaspsurvivors, http://chaffinpullanismarvelous.weebly.com/, Youth Foundation Closes Amid Scandals, Lawsuits | WWASP Survivors. It was really something special to meet Zach many years later in my 20s and talk about that genesis family we were in. I think his name was Danny. www.ranchflip.com is using a security service for protection against online attacks. I wanted to get a list of the rules. THANK YOU!!! I was also the youngest on the facility, for I was a fresh 13 year old. i do not know your husband and i didnt went too this place but i had a similar experience elsewhere in europe when i was a teen. As a staff member I was discouraged by the facility to form friendships with the girls. Imagine floating into a deluxe camp on one of our private ranches or permitted islands where cold beverages and tasty appetizers await. We were fed a long line of addictions to watch out for and were accused of. By the sounds of, around the same time. Then got transferred to the ranch. When I could be doing all of these things on my own free will in my home town! Whether you had a good experience or not, never discredit the pain of others because you have no idea what those kids had to experience behind closed doors. I just found out about this place. This is a classic western spring creek in every sense. @gabsterbanger on Instagram Ill never forget watching her all alone up there and feeling so horrible about just sitting there while the facilitator asks her to move on to her next trauma. They no longer did tbe gravel pit or trail of lights.and tbey toned down the seminars. The things that happened to me cause of these schools I cant even word. I was with Karley when we got in trouble while cleaning the guest cabin. My friends were Jeremy Witmer, Thom Carhart, Mike DeAlba, Eric Henderson, Chris Gueiterz (i totally spelled that wrong), Travis Hanson, James Westlund, James Boatright, Chris Miller, Jim Oetter and many others whose names escape me. I watch as my other siblings get love but theres never enough left over for me. The only thing that I can think of that made it better on you that was that were there as a adult and they knew you could legally leave on your own. Its obviously worked out well for you and you deserve every ounce of success and happiness you get in life. Still have actual nightmares being there! Most did in one way or another. I was there 2002-2003. I was in destiny and was 15. What the hell is going on up there? Cameron had a running tab at the local bars. Sale Average: 98 Yearling Bulls Average $6,069 Sale Highlights: Lot 25 $12,500 to McFarland Livestock, Lemhi, ID; SD Dually 2112; 1/21/22; DL Dually x Jindra Acclaim. I wished I would have run sooner. I still call bagels bag-els because of him. I have never been the type to go with the flow or fake it till I make it. There was so much abuse, manipulation and borderline child abuse/molestation going on. I told the attendant to be on the lookout for her and to help her is she gets there. I owe my life to him. I was there 2007. So many parents refuse to admit their mistakes and it is extremely frustrating as a former inmate to deal with. I knew if I didnt that Id never get out, so I think I got to level 4 before, with a rare phone privilege because my uncle had died in Iowa, and I tried to convince my Dad to let me go to the funeralwhich I ended up not going to after all was said and done, but it did give me chance to convince my Dad I was doing well and ready to go back to normal high school starting after the winter break. They both obviously were sadists, and I know that WWASPs employs perverts ( Robert Lichfield himself has even been rumored to be a rapist), but I just got a particular kind of weird feeling about Chaffin especially. I hope someone..anyone remembers me. When I see Bill Gates I cant help but to think of Steve Cawdrey Same build maybe. I would be surprised if any of you have any kind of contact with your parents. My god! Jay with the dish bowl chest. I was like a family hero after that. I was in spring creek from 98-00 courage family!! I hope you feel the same. $10,975,000. I arrived so fucked up on flowers im the hopes I would die but instead I woke up in hell. About an hour goes by waiting on tracks and I hear the horn and get excited. I try getting out, then I wake up. So on a trip up to the hobbit one time i ran into a girls hobbit and kissed this cute little blond girl. They saved them all in there files on polaroids. I was in dignity then Focus, then respect when I was sent back. I hope the girls in my family are alright. I had friends in high school that were taken to places like this and wondered what they went through. And they used to say I get you being in your image or something like that. This place did nothing in the form of help and guidence for teens. We had to have been at SCC together at the same time, I mean, everything you said in your post was perfect. 1221 Spring Forest Drive, Rocky Mount, NC 27804. They fuckng made me live in the tpee in the winter for like 2 weeks. My name is travis hull. My son never progressed in the levels and he talked about the hobbit but I had no idea how awful it was. I remember when he was demonized to all hell after he stole the car and escaped with some gangbanger kid. My name is corwin Preston. You Tom, sound like a prick. I will say, he is the reason I grew up wantingg to help others. While I try not to judge others, as I dont know the particulars of what theyre going through with their kids, I just wouldnt and couldnt ever do that and feel that sending your kids away is giving up on them. The good news is I hear they are having major financial struggles. I remember when Cameron let me babysit his kids and how much trust he had in me. Woodworking, welding, cosmetology for females barbershop courses. They talked about getting a translator.