Point being, breed bashing is common, and highly subjective. Like the LUA situation. Ah yes, among the most aggressive dogs ever. Dalmatians love playing with children because like them, children are high energy. You can’t educate someone who isn’t willing to listen. Maybe excessively careful breeding does make a difference as far as deafness is concerned. You didn’t even have the courtesy to use a real name or real e-mail, nor did you share the “links” you found so no, I’m not going to do your homework for you. Now I only did you a favor by entering this into Google and since I was curious about the outcome BUT I am not in the habit of lying to others or myself and have chosen the Dalmatian as my breed for their specific temperament. It’s the worst possible scenario. So the statement “My Dalmatian is wonderful and can hear and doesn’t piss rocks” is not a refutation of anything I’ve said. This is no great mystery. This behavior was often observed in monkeys and apes in the context of demonstrating to predators they were harmless and meant no threat. In fact, they are one of the most loving breeds you can get with more personality than all the other breeds put together. If you’re bothered by dog hair, the need to groom a dog regularly, or the necessity of extra sweeping or vacuuming, you’ll probably be unhappy with a Dalmatian. . The effects of inbreeding and crossbreeding on guinea pigs. since your “findings” are incredibly exaggerated and applied as it suits you personally. A field of applied animal psychology Am. Basenji closest related breed to the wolf. Wow, you’re even worse, if that was possible. While blue eyes and large areas of depigmentation on most of the body might signal neurological defects, it seems that smaller amounts of depigmentation are linked to calm temperaments and large amounts of meat and milk in cattle. They are purely aesthetic characters. Try to stick to just using their name at first so that it sticks properly. If I could find a personality clone of my dog, and it looked something like a Rex cat (something I don’t find appealing to look at), I would snatch it up in a heartbeat. ps- Genuine thanks for giving me something to do today, I’m glad this discussion was brought to my attention. You must be in severe denial about how shitty your dog’s breeding is. I’ve always been opposed to albino dobes, or GSDs, etc. the only person know tat can hold on to the lead for an hour or possibly less, is my dad, yet he really struggles, and hurts his back... the moment he has seen an other dog, he panics and starts barking and howling away. Processes 9, 255-260. I wonder if you’d be quite such belligerent bully in person, I expect you like to hide behind the relative anonymity of the internet? Dogs as a species are generally known for their excellent senses. 8, 269-279. It’s not an albino, but it’s getting there. You, OTOH, are worth less. Sometimes they can be just damn mean but the last 3 I had were sweet, and well socialized. It’s all hearsay and very little of it is verifiable. They don’t. Christopher, actually her statement is not true. Or better yet, post your thoughts on your own blog. You bring in Border Collies to a discussion of Dalmatians because you think it’s somehow cosmically justified to attack not what I wrote about Dalmatians, but instead attack Border Collies. My using google is not to prove that Dalmatians DO have bad temperaments, it’s to prove that most people believe they do and are searching for that. As you can see the Dalmatians now have breeding strategy remedy. After more than 14 generations and well over 10,000 Dalmatians in a pedigree, the present day dogs – LUA Dalmatians – look like and act like Dalmatians! Again we are told Panda’s skelton is more cat-like as the raccoon, This is why in the study I quoted it showed only 2 cases of Calcuim Oxalte stones occuring in Dalamatians while the other breeds studied had literally hundreds of cases! http://www.embracepetinsurance.com/dog-breeds/dalmatian. Discover (and save!) Kathy, you seemed to reply directly to me. I don’t really know why I’m bothering to comment other than to say “What a waste of a 1/2 hour”. Tell your pup to ‘find it!’ and they will run to the toy and start happily chewing it and eating the treat inside. (1989). Now for the best part……If the Dal community were to universally accept the LUA dogs and breed only to them from this point forward we could see 75% of the breed being LUA within about a century! FCI Dalmatians are thus genetically just as susceptible to all the issues I raised here. We know that Americans are less tolerant of patches than Europeans do. I don’t breed them, so I am not the one to preach to about changing the coat color. Should the US Dalmatian club and AKC raise their bar to the level the Germans have, then they would have something to respond to my criticism of instead of pointless logical fallacies and personal attacks against me. The patch appears to result from weak expression of the extreme piebald gene, resulting in a failure to cover the underlying coat color; patched Dalmatians are statistically less likely to be deaf than unpatched animals.19 When the extreme pieblad gene is strongly expressed, brown pigment is suppressed in the iris, resulting in blue eyes (and frequently an absence of pigment in the tapetum lucidum), and melanocytes are suppressed in the cochlear stria vascularis, resulting in deafness. Exactly, but with new scientific fact we no longer have to rely on a rotten tree. You’re missing a rather blatant distinction. Another visit is then performed by the breed warden before the puppies are homed where all visible and testable results are recorded in the Stud book. I however do not see Christopher intention on improving knowledge and moving matters forward, instead he is attacking a breed that is among the healthiest in the world of dog breeding. Eibi-Eibesfeldt, I., and Kramer, S. (1958). Most Damatians never have issues with stones. Another in the archives might give you insight is “Academic Fraud in The Toller Research” . Did a post about it. The postulation of sw for extreme white in other breeds in S locus however, has no evidence yet found. Dalmatians do not enjoy spending time a lot of time by themselves, and could become destructive if left to their own devices for long periods of time. If you regularly brush your dog, often bathing is not necessary, only three to four times a year. The pronghorn. Clonal distribution of melanocytes in piebald spotting and variegated mice. In this study, researchers compared 854 individuals with gout to 20,872 individuals without the disease, all of European descent from the United States and the Netherlands. Plain and simple. 70, 370-381. Taming in wild rats following medial amygdaloid lesions. And this is easy to say because we know the excess white causes deafness and all Dalmatians are bred with this color. There’s no getting worse than they already are in relation to that gene. and other breeds with generic health issues like displaysia? Mounted gangs up for fun. 89,989-998. Socialitet = sociality (3.4) Positive reinforcement is the only way to train Dalmatians. There has to be something a little more going on with your article then what you are really saying because it’s not applied to other dog breeds. They are on this list. Impaired function of the auditory and ophthalmologic systems in dilution systems is well documented Microphthamia blindless and merle ocular dysgensis. However breeders should be asking themselves: “would Christopher even be blogging about the issue if the concerns about Dalmatians wasn’t a wide-spread concern in the media?” One simply cannot erase years of bad exposure of being labelled “dangerous” or “aggressive” in the news without cracking down. On the other hand, perhaps it’s a blessing if it keeps people like you from acquiring a Dalmatian. Every breed is going to show rage if you don’t work with them. You are enshrining rates of deafness higher than any other breed, and you are pretending that temperament PROBLEMS are really signs of happy dogs being happy and smiling and loving and just at ease and peaceful and wonderful and fluffy wuffy! Again you are right, Dalmatians have a high uric acid problem, I also agree that some of the arguments against introducing the LUA’s where ridiculous but some where also valid and after careful evaluation by geneticists and other professionals the advise is to introduce the LUA gene SLOWLY so it is no surprise that only a short time after their international recognition there are no more than 40 breeders. 83, 369-475. Any working or cultural histories are purely an add-on; something to talk about, but for TODAY’S purposes, all the AKC folks that have followed the registry mantra 11(1), 37-48. Pattern formation during animal development. (1965). I find the title using the term “Train Wreck” to be applicable to most pure breed AKC registered breeds. Think about lung cancer. Don’t blame the breed of dog. Do you have evidence that LUA dals are more likely to form calcium oxalate stones than HUA dals or is it just pure speculation? Guillery et al. No, Dalmatians are not albinos. Even that about uric acid in Dals is not valid anymore. “The CHIC number itself does not imply normal test results, only that all the required breed specific tests were performed and the results made publicly available.” Dev Psychobiol. A comparison of the body and endocrine gland (adrenal, thyroid and pituitary) weights of emotional and nonemotional rats. A 12 week old Dalmatian is quite ready and willing to learn and 10 – 12 weeks is a great time for weaning a Dalmatian from it’s mother. Then youll still get like 90 percent of the dalmation and solve all the genetic problems and life goes on. If we’re talking about being uninformed, how many Dalmatians have you actually met and worked with?? That blows your “trade off” theory out of the water as well. We breed for color inside the ear canal (the lack of which causes deafness to white dogs), as well as color on the nose leather and eye rims. Wow, I must be really, really lucky. Did anyone every tell these individuals that “Beauty is Skin Deep” Personally think many people have health conditions, or family members with health conditions that require their care. LeDoux, J. E., Iwata, J., Ciccheti, P., and Reis, D.J. What you mean to say I imagine is have you ever met a nice JRT that isn’t yours. I don’t see any justification for shitty Dalmatian temperaments secondary to coat color fetishes being justified by Dalmatian breeders. In ways that mimic the diathesis-stress model for humans, this genetic vulnerability Dalmatians have can be dormant, which would explain why many Dalmatian owners on this page have friendly dogs. The authors found that, compared to those with the AG genotype, subjects with the AA genotype had 1.4 times the odds of gout, while subjects with the GG genotype had 0.7 times the odds of gout. Mundinger, P. C. (1995). And if any of them ever put their teeth on anyone I would seriously reconsider the dog. Go into his Archives: “The 8 Signs of Groupthink.” Well, if you don’t have children and you monitor your dogs extensively and they are never even near children then it’s really NOT impressive if you say “my dog has never bitten a child!”. Sci. The welfare of albino rats in a laboratory probably has not been compromised because they are still able to eat, drink, and mate without difficulty However, further abnormalities of the visual system may cause functional problems. Again, it’s akin to cutting off the face to avoid acne. My own foundation bitch is Swedish bred and I have over the years combined british and scandinavian blood lines which appears to be working rather well. That’s what causes the deafness, that’s what causes the lack of melanin. If you don’t have the time or energy to be out walking/jogging/hiking etc.. every day your gonna have a bad time. Physiol. A lot of us are scrambling to hold the line, breeding the healthiest dogs we can, retaining breed function, and placing our puppies with the best homes possible. I’m also amused that you think my extensive AP career is not an asset as well. . Likewise, further limiting the gene pool there are subdiviisons and divisions such as the Parson. For them it has everything to do with increasing litter registrations and their bottom line. I have met two that were nice, although they were short visits. The white is a mask over the base color of black, liver (brown) or lemon (orange/tan). Science. Your understanding of population genetics is inane. Dalmatian puppies are boisterous and full of life which means it's essential for homes and gardens to be puppy-proofed well in advance of their arrival. seem to be about the look MAKING the breed what it is. These dogs are very popular amongst riders and are generally free range to mingle at events as they travel so easily and well. Well, the albino rage theory explains a lot about Jack Russell Terriers, which are asshole dogs. Exactly! However, Silversides and Smyth (1986) found a relationship between lighter feather color and congenital tremor. Wow, you’re a dick lol. I have always felt that dogs operate on the “What’s in it for me?” principle. So I thought that maybe people bred blind collies because with less light coming through the eyes, they thought the coat would grow more. Unilaterally Deaf: 22% (1100) It’s a measure of the zeitgeist. I'm A Celebrity first look at 'Game of Thrones' camp as haunted castle is transformed. I’ve mentioned at least 50, if not more, breeds on this blog before I said one word about Dalmatians. I’m clear on everything you wrote previously to your actual question “Now when animals dilutions are caused by such systems now documented why with selective breeding that is inbreeding primary would you not find the same results as in humans?”. You can’t confine aggressive tendencies/behavioural issues to coat colour, but the links you site are interesting and I’d like to read more on coat colour and predispositions. Did you make any effort to speek with dalmatian beeders who have a track record of producing dogs with healthy temperments? Sci. PROPOSAL: Dalmatian deafness is caused by their coat color. If her hackles went up, I’d tell her to let’s go back in and told her she was a good girl. If you give them a name that must be where they are from. Tone. 3. Done several on them as well. Those that did have temperament issues where clearly related to the breeders attitude, that did not make temperament a large priority. Appl. Hard personality: Mini dogs are also hard to train, in fact, they have the same personality of a Rottweiler which means they are short-tempered and can easily become aggressive which is very contradicting to their small size. Effects of enriched and restricted early environments on learning ability of bright and dull rats. 12 stitches and 3 years later, my girl gives any BC she sees a wide berth. 2017 - Dur dur la vie de chiot #dalmatien #puppy #ilovemydog But it’s a very interesting hypothesis and despite the problem that we’re not likely to get human funded research into pigment vs. temperament for political reasons in humans, what little scholarship we do have for animals is open for debate and I think Grandin’s point is a solid place to start. Just like any dog they can become a “train wreck” with improper training and socialization, along with backyard breeding. The most pleasant and healthiest I’ve seen have been the reds and chocolates, particularly the chocolates, which are unpopular colors, whereas buffs and blacks have been bred to hell and back and are seen as the more “reputable” colors of the breed (if you’re a reputable breeder or win tons of shows, you have buffs, blacks, or both). They are almost all homozygous for genes which cause disease. Klien, E., Steinberg, S. A., Weiss, S. R. B., Matthews, D. M., and Uhde, T. W. (1988). Here’s why… This dog has a well-rounded temperament. It made those dogs a dream to work with. The science is not closed here, it’s not settled, in fact there’s clearly more ignorance than there are answers. WTF? The issues begin with the training of Show Judges (I am one myself). Exactly, it has nothing to do with this post. I’ve had my own set of things I do, for five generations. I personally love Dalmatians, but similarly to the pug, the breed primarily exists for its aesthetic “appeal.”. Even my mother, who knows nothing of science, raised me saying “Don’t set your standards by comparing yourself to worse [ people, ideals, etc]. So I can’t REALLY agree that people don’t intentionally create diseased dogs. So, if you are getting yourself a Dalmatian, first you should go to the store and buy an extra-strong vacuum cleaner. Bad examples exist across the board but I do not think that Christopher wants to see this part at all instead he misunderstand the color inheritance pattern which explains why he picks our breed instead of his own and he also keeps referring to blindness. Larger spots are better but what do conformation breeders breed for? What happened to the vision in show collies’ eyes? Not for new owners: In fact, they are not advisable for new dog owners as they need a higher level of training. He was so used to popping through the gate through the garden area through to the yard and getting on with the job at hand. 5, 19-48. You will want to be very patient with your new best friend during this process. http://chandhally.co.uk/html/versatile_breed.html, http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/breeds/dalmatians.html#activities, http://www.wassaicfirerescue.com/thedalmatian.htm. Rev. We can breed deaf dogs with abandon because snakes don’t have external ears. 15, 353-375. I have also been an owner of Spaniels, Labs, lurchers, and terriers, so how you can think it just to label me a “Dalmatian breeder apologist”? That’s responsible parenting. The difference is whether the genes are ADDED to a larger gene pool (which is the case in bringing LUA Dals INTO the larger gene pool) versus the genes being excluded into a gene pool in and of themselves. Vet. The cure was ignored for nearly 40 years! In my mind that simply does not make for a healthy, more broad based, pedigree. Good luck to you and the BC’s that you breed, I hope your life will soon be a happier one and keep my fingers crossed that your BC’s do not have to live with the mistakes that you clearly display on this site. She’s also not deaf and she is not aggressive at all. People have NERVOUS smiles too. When I was posted to Brussels a few years later I tried finding out where and what he was up to but in vain. For all kinds of leukodystrophies in which the mode of inheritance has been determined (including that of globoid cell leukodystrophy), the pattern has been identified as autosomal recessive. Elgar, M. A. You don’t respect my opinion if you counter it with ad hominem attacks, which is exactly what your trash talking of Border Collies is. The majority of breeders test with BAER before they are 8-weeks old. … Conditioning of nyala (Tragelaphus angasi) to blood sampling in a crate with positive reinforcement. At the end, the only diagnosis was she is a product of inbreeding and as a result experiences random and unforeseeable episodes of viciousness and cannot be trained. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. And yes, I’m every bit as much of an in your face, won’t take your shit, asshole in person, a skill honed over years of highly successful public speaking and debate at the state and national level in both high school and college. Breeder attitude is important. So long as they win at dog shows and the public still buys theirs puppies, they fear change. (19l8). By DCA and AKC rules there needed to be a clear 2/3 majority to allow the dogs in but both looked the other way because they didn’t want the publicity. Why would they not want to eliminate blind, deaf and cripple dogs? Nowicki, S., and Marler, P (1988). All the decendents are from that one single pairing! She was the best temperament, loyal, and security dog we’ve ever owned. PRECISELY what we said for years when working for recognition of the non registered import Salukis. Based on much of the above maybe the argument should be to do away with all dog breeders? Below it, there should be a drop-down menu. (3) Breeders kill deaf puppies. A strong predisposition for deafness is thus a sine qua non disorder in Dalmatians. When they have nothing to herd, they find something to herd, neighbors’ horses, cows, bikes, children walking to school, or cars. However the Panda’s eyes likewise are dark. Yeah, dogs, bred by man in to breeds. Large Anim. Dachshunds are attractive choices for their intelligence and independence, but this can make them difficult to potty train. Also one of the highest numbers of puppies sold by backstreet breeders – a huge contribution to the aggressive trait they posses! You are quite mistaken and have not researched the facts on scientific, DCA, AKC, or any other well respected Web site. Price, E. 0. What is the most genetically diverse breed? The predominantly white Dalmatians do not produce melanin at all in their white patches. Dave recently posted..From Which He Flushed. I imagine they dream of horse at night and it soothes their souls, despite everything wrong going on in their lives the horse is there. 14(2), 117-125. Both of these issues require further study. http://www.findal.net/ROTUINFO/Dalmatiankoiran_jalostuksen_tavoiteohjelma_01012008.pdf. To put him to sleep would be just as terrible as putting any of my other dogs to sleep. The Dalmatian is voted Mr. Congeniality of the dog breeds. In fact, my bitch goes back to undocumented farm stock only a few generations back. (1982). Hardly unknown “mutts” or “mongrels.”, If the dog fancy is going to take itself so seriously, it needs to expand it’s concept of ‘dogs’ a little bit. 8. Why is your standard improvement but you don’t do something that is a clear improvement. I didn’t lose anything, nor have you pointed out anything interesting. Have you seen it, the viral video of a “guilty” dog? Some in multiple countries, that they are not for everyone, not with Dals example and lets be. 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